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[scarfman]

Instead of doing my own reaction post on Flesh and Stone I've been commenting in everyone else's. (Under the post I did make, it's being argued that the clerics in the last beach scene aren't the same men as in the rest of the story, so perhaps I was wrong about that.) Anyway:

before airing, to stoplookingup: I find myself serenely content to wait for the series arc to reveal itself in its own time. This may only be because I've had no staggeringly obvious but sublimely subtle theory occur to me.

before airing to stoplookingup, on a tabloid spoiling the kissing at the end:

I think I'll skip following the Daily Mail link; this smells like a development I'd prefer few preconceptions of. But I've been saying for years that, the problem with one showrunner doing a One True Love storyline is, there'll be successors who want to do it their way.

edit I should add that I believe Moffat means to subvert the Rose trope this season, the way he subverted the Mickey trope in The Eleventh Hour. Any guy would be all "But ..." "But ..." "But ..." when his girlfriend's imaginary friend came to town; but Rory reacted to the weirdness in the coma ward by going to the authorities, first waiting till after he had gathered evidence.

after airing; to persiflage_1: "'You, me, handcuffs. Must it always end this way.'"

And she doesn't even remember the last time we remember cuz it ain't happened to her yet.

to daibhid_c: "this is the End of Time following Amy around, and connected to history being altered so she doesn't remember The Stolen Earth/Journey's End."

And no one remembers the CyberKing. Moffat's retconning in a catch-all to get rid of anything from the Davies administration he doesn't want to have to deal with.

to stoplookingup: "What was it Amy was supposed to remember that the Doctor told her when she was seven?"

We don't know. He said it when he came back to Amelia after saving Earth from the Atraxi with Amy and Rory, subsequent to the TARDIS reappearance scene that we're supposed to think was a dream. I didn't notice it, but someone on my flist did: he had his jacket back when he told her to remember.

to nostalgia_lj, in stoplookingup's journal: I'm quite certain that what Amy is supposed to remember is something the Doctor said subsequent to the TARDIS's return to Amelia in the scene we're supposed to have taken as a dream. I think we haven't yet heard what Amy is being told to remember.

to caz963: "The whole 'time can be rewritten' thing is intriguing – ... will it somehow play into the killing of the best man she ever knew?"

I wonder whether it'll turn out that, in the Series 2010 finale, River kills a future incarnation of the Doctor - but events play out so that incarnation will never come to exist?

You heard it here first, folks.

Comments

[scalderwood.livejournal.com]

I think you are right about the future incarnation of the Doctor being who River kills. I think it is patently obvious.

I re-watched the bit about the coat, and wow. That has to be huge. Also, he doesn't have the coat on at the beach. So it might not be the same coat. Although whether it is the same coat, might not be relevant.

[tiggerallyn.livejournal.com]

So it might not be the same coat.

It's a darker coat, like the one seen in the trailer for "Vampires in Venice."

[scalderwood.livejournal.com]

Cool! Thanks.

[jamtorkberg.livejournal.com]

The thing about the jacket has me jazzed. From my point of view, Moffet does a much better job of playing with time travel than other Who writers, so I am hoping we get some real brain-benders, stuff that make the Grandfather Paradox look like child's play.

[jamtorkberg.livejournal.com]

And I suppose it should be pointed out, though I am sure that it has been already, that River showed that the TARDIS can be landed noiselessly. Thus, the Doctor can come and go within his timeline without alerting anyone, characters in the show or indeed the audience themselves.

[drake57.livejournal.com]

I think Gallifrey and the Timelords of old are coming back, free of the RTD angst and emo.
New angst and RTD free Daleks are a relief.

[scarfman]

I'll point out that Moffat is on record as not caring about the Time Lords because they interfere in storytelling.

Moffat is also on record as unabashedly lying to preserve spoilers. It could go either way.

[drake57.livejournal.com]

Indeed.
It will be fun this season and to see what happens.