meme precognition

[scarfman]

From my lj, 7/20/06:

Five-geeky-things-I'd-like-to-see meme

1. Whole-episode flashbacks on Doctor Who to past incarnations, including ones who'd have to be recast.
2. Jason Lane and Richard White becoming mainstays of the Superman legend after debuting in Superman Returns (and sequels if any), as Jimmy Olsen did after debuting on radio.
3. J.J. Abrams' Star Trek being at least a recast and maybe a reboot of the original series.
4. The other two Firefly movies, in comic books if not on screen.
5. A King Arthur tv or movie series.

Batting four hundred!

Comments

[blinovitch.livejournal.com]

I'd like a Doctor Who flashback with an incarnation never before seen. Since the regeneration limit hasn't been explicitly mentioned in the new series that I can recall, this would be a way to have one-off "guest star" Doctors.

[scarfman]

That'd be an interesting choice on behalf of the production office. On the one hand, as you say there's been no mention of incarnation numbers for two or three incarnations, allowing the possibilty that there may have been one or more we viewers didn't see, between the Eye of Harmony thing and the London Eye thing (All other regenerations, we the viewers witnesssed.). On the other hand, the info stamp data in The Next Doctor rather strongly implies - and was meant so by the lame duck showrunner, no doubt - that there are no incarnations we viewers haven't seen. However, it may just mean that there are no incarnations we viewers haven't seen that went up against the Daleks.

[tiggerallyn.livejournal.com]

the possibilty that there may have been one or more we viewers didn't see, between the Eye of Harmony thing and the London Eye thing

I like to think that Richard E. Grant's Doctor still goes in there someway, somehow.

the info stamp data in The Next Doctor rather strongly implies - and was meant so by the lame duck showrunner, no doubt - that there are no incarnations we viewers haven't seen.

The limitation on the Infostamp, which you correctly note, is that it's limited entirely to what the Daleks themselves were aware of.

For instance, if REG is the Doctor after McGann and before Eccleston, then it stands to reason that either 1) REG-Doctor never fought the Daleks or 2) REG-Doctor fought the Daleks, but after the Cult of Skaro were confined to the Void.

(The fact that the Infostamp showed Eccleston is powerful evidence that it was his Doctor that fought the Time War. The Cult of Skaro were placed into the Void to survive the Time War, and the Infostamp information derived from them. They were aware of Eccleston, which means that his Doctor existed during the Time War. The common fan belief that McGann regenerated into Eccleston at the conclusion of the Time War [and/or immediately prior to "Rose"] cannot account for the Infostamp.)

The pre-Hartnell Doctors seen in "The Brain of Morbius" could not have been known by the Daleks, given the events of "The Daleks" and Hartnell's first encounter with the pepperpots. Hence, their absence from the Infostamp.

[scarfman]

I like to think that Richard E. Grant's Doctor still goes in there someway, somehow.

Now, his dialog does specify incarnation number.

I subscribe to an interpretation of the Morbius thing that doesn't make those faces past faces of the Doctor*. But if they were past faces, and unless Susan was much, much older than she looked and behaved, none of those faces traveled the universe and, as you say, the Daleks would have no way of knowing them. Hell, for all that the Doctor said in Genesis of the Daleks that the Daleks figure hugely in the history of the universe, he and Susan didn't seem just to be encountering them for the first time in The Mutants, they didn't know anything about Daleks at all.

* Rather, projected future faces of the Doctor.

[scarfman]

I like to think that Richard E. Grant's Doctor still goes in there someway, somehow.

I should perhaps mention that my fanfiction of the time incorporates that incarnation of the Doctor, just as earlier it incorporated the Rowan Atkinson version.

[chocolatescifi.livejournal.com]

I would like to see a flashback showing how the Doctor regenerated from Paul McGann to Christopher Eccleston.

[chocolatescifi.livejournal.com]

The problem with #2 is that for that to happen, Lois and Clark's marriage would probably have to be invalidated. Still, there are 52 Earths in the reconstituted DC multiverse. Maybe Superman Returns is how things happened on one of those other Earths.

[tiggerallyn.livejournal.com]

I thought Jason Lane was the best thing to happen in Superman Returns, but it would almost impossible to work into the current DC Universe.

Superman and Lois do have a son now, Christopher Kent. He's actually the son of General Zod and Ursa, and he was adopted, as a little boy, by Clark and Lois. He's currently teenaged, due to a sped-up growth cycle caused by the Phantom Zone, and he's adopted the superhero identity of Nightwing.

[scarfman]

Nightwing? Then what's Dick Grayson doing these days?

[tiggerallyn.livejournal.com]

The Batman family these days...

Bruce: Presumed dead
Dick: Batman
Jason: Presumed dead
Tim: Red Robin
Damian: Robin

[scarfman]

It depends on when (or at this point I feel like saying "if" since I haven't heard anything about it for years) the sequel to Superman Returns comes out, and how well it does, and whether the next ZOMFG Major DC Comics Reboot comes along while the sequel is riding high. Or, if as you say there are 52 Earths, they may work it in there somewhere. But the iron's really cool right now.